Armed Forces Skeet Association
Internet Director’s Meeting Minutes
June 10, 2011

An internet board of directors meeting was called for by the President and held in early June, 2011. The meeting concluded at 2400 hours on 10 June 2011.

The purpose of the meeting was to approve a new program and awards package proposed by Pat Knutson and John Swidrak. Emails were sent by Joe Pierce to all officers and directors because Clint was out of the country. The new awards package is reflected in the 2012 Shoot Program (10 June 2011) on our web site with minor changes from what was sent to the directors for decision in order to add more silver coins and reduce the number of pouches to be awarded. The treasurer will revisit the awards package as silver prices change, but the silver awards shown on the 2012 program are the minimum silver awards to be given for the forseeable future. The proposal went farther than the original guidance provided by the board in May 2011 and changed the majority of the awards in order to keep the silver coin awards while decreasing the total cost of the awards package to near the 2011 awards package cost. Concurrent event average tables will also be changed for the 2012 shoot to make the entries in each group approximately the same. This action is taken every few years and is nothing new.

There were 19 votes in favor of the proposal and one opposed. 3 Directors did not submit votes. The proposal was accepted.

ROSE  YES
FELTON NO
KREUSER DID NOT VOTE- OUT OF COUNTRY. YES UPON RETURN ON 11 JUNE.
KNUTSON YES

NOVOTNY  YES
MOORE  YES
GRAY  YES
SNYDER   YES
TODD  YES

KRUTSINGER YES
MERRITT  YES
WASSON  YES
BROWN  DID NOT VOTE
SIMMONS YES
SWIDRAK YES WITH COMMENT
MORRISON YES
DAUBENSCHMIDT YES
JONES YES
STEVENS  YES

NOVOTNY – CAN’T VOTE TWICE PER BY LAWS
DAVIS DID NOT VOTE
ALDEN  YES
BERRY YES
FAIN YES

 

Suggestions and caveats were included with some of the votes. Those suggestions and actions taken are documented below.

1. Felton. Nonconcur with proposal. The changes to the awards should be limited to reducing multiple coin awards to single coin awards and nothing more as was directed by the directors at the May 2011 meeting.

2. Fain. Change Group 1st to ½ oz. and 2d to pouch. Pat – Made both ½ ounce coins.

3. Jones. Delete New Shooter Events. Pat – No action taken on this.

4. Simmons. Look at Concurrent Event Averages.  SSSR looks off. Pat – Done and changes made to average tables.

5. Swidrak.  “John has voted yes with the condition that he is doing so based on the belief that the directors and/or membership have previously voted to do away with prizes for Group I awards. In that case he is willing to respect their desires until this issue can be brought before the association for review. However it is John’s belief that we should continue to follow Brad’s reporting format (for) All-American points and simplify NSSA reporting, but he also strongly believes the prize structure should be expanded to award G1-1 and G1-2 coins that parallel G2-1 and G2-2 awards.” Pat- I recommend that this be discussed at the 2012 board meeting.

6. Merritt. Fix wording on IS Team eligibility and D/E 12 GA awards. Pat – Done.

 

Clint Kreuser
Secretary

 

 

 

Armed Forces Skeet Association
Director’s Meeting Minutes
Richmond Gun Club, Richmond, VA
Wednesday, May 18, 2011

ROLL CALL:
Officers Present:
President – Absent
Vice President – Bradley Felton
Treasurer – Pat Knutson
Secretary – Clint Kreuser
Directors Present:
Charlie Novotny - USA
Layne Merritt – USA Ret.
Larry Krutzinger – USA Ret.
Darren Todd – Marines
Chris Fain - Marines
Russ Stevens – Marines Ret.
John Snyder – Navy
Don Berry - Navy
John Daubenschmidt – Navy Ret.
Grant Morrison – Navy Ret.
Brian Moore – USAF
James Schmehl - USAF
Stuart Brown – USAF Ret.
Jerry Wasson – USAF Ret.
Kim Gray - USCG
Jim Simmons – USCG Ret.
John Swidrak – USCG Ret.         
Cotton Talbot – Director Emeritus

Meeting convened at 1752 hours, Wednesday May 18, 2011 by Vice President Bradley Felton.
Reading of minutes of 2010 Director’s Meeting waived.  Pat Knutson moved to approve 2010 minutes as written and previously posted, 2nd John Daubenschmidt.  Motion carried.


Officers Reports
Secretary Clint Kreuser.  Nothing new to report.
Treasurer Pat Knutson.  Nothing new to report. 
Vice-President Brad Felton.  Nothing new to report. 
Old Business
No old business.
New Business
A discussion was held on the proposed policy statement concerning who can shoot on the inter-service teams and who can participate in the AFSC.  The policy statement was written to allow any Armed Forces ID card holder to shoot on the active duty team.  The Secretary will draft a change, if necessary, to the NSSA rules.  Pat Knutson made a motion to accept the new policy as read.  Grant Morrison 2nd.  Motion carried.  


"AFSA SHOOTER ELIGIBILITY POLICY STATEMENTS (18 May 2011).

A.  A military shooter is any member of the U.S. Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, Coast Guard, Air/National Guard, or any reserve component of those services plus the commissioned corps of the Public Health Service and certain NOAA members. Eligibility is established by the possession of a valid armed services identification or CAC card.

B.  A retired military shooter is any retired member of the armed services listed in paragraph “a” above who is in possession of a valid retired armed services identification card. The member may be retired for length of service or for medical reasons.

C.  Military reserve component personnel may shoot in the Armed Services Skeet Championships whether or not they are on active duty during the shoot.

D.  Military cadets (including ROTC cadets) may shoot in the Armed Services Skeet Championships.

E.  Interservice Teams. One of the following two criteria must be met to be eligible to compete as a member of an Interservice Team:

          (1) A military member as defined in paragraph “a” above.

          (2) A cadet or midshipman in possession of a valid armed services identification card.

          Exception: If a service does not have five members (as defined in e (1) and (2) above) entered in the shoot, shoot management may allow the team to include one retired military member from the same service as determined by his/her Armed Forces of the United States Identification Card. No team so formed shall be eligible to establish any world records."


A discussion followed concerning the possible addition of a collegiate team concurrent.  This proposal was designed to attract the service academy’s skeet teams.  Charlie Novotny agreed to look into the matter and see if there was any interest from the academies.  

Brad Felton then explained the three rule changes from NSSA and a discussion followed about the rule deleting the HAA event.  Jim Simmons made a motion to delete our HAA event starting with our 2012 shoot.  2nd by Grant Morrison.  Motion passed. 

Pat Knutson then explained the current awards package and the proposed awards package.  Specifically, the costs involved in both due to the rising and fluctuating cost of silver.   The general consensus was that we want to retain silver coins.  Discussion followed on how many years could we sustain a loss in revenue from the shoot before we had to seriously consider changing the silver coin awards or drastically raising entry and concurrent fees to break even.  A proposal was made to have the treasurer do another awards package proposal based on the current package but showing a cost savings by deleting the second silver coin from any award that gives more than one coin to the same position.  For example, a position that gives a 1 ounce and a ½ ounce coin would only get a 1 ounce coin.  

The last item of discussion was the club bids for the 2012 shoot.  A vote was taken with the following result:
Waco Skeet and Trap Club – 11
Nellis Air Force Base – 8
Ben Avery Clay Target Center – 0
National Gun Club – 0 
Tucson Trap and Skeet – 0
Peoria Skeet and Trap – 0

Waco Skeet and Trap Club will be the site of the 2012 AFSC.

Individual Director’s name and the site they voted for follows:
Felton - Waco
Knutson - Waco
Kreuser - Waco
Novotny- Waco
Merritt – Waco
Krutzinger - Waco
Todd – Waco
Fain – Waco
Stevens – Waco
Snyder – Nellis
Berry – Nellis
Daubenschmidt – Nellis
Morrison – Nellis
Schmehl - Waco
Moore – Waco
Wasson – Nellis
Gray – Nellis
Swidrak – Nellis
Simmons – Nellis


Grant Morrison made a motion to adjourn the meeting, 2nd by John Daubenschmidt.  Motion carried.  Unanimous vote to adjourn at 1947.

Clint F. Kreuser
Secretary

 

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